One of DC’s very own men, Restaurant Refugee, is guest posting today while Mama eats bonbons and makes the cats do acrobatics. Thanks RR for indulging me. Whaddya think – has he got it covered?
A man’s guide to dating women – in a restaurant:
- Go to a bar
- Order a beer
- Take one sip
- Understand that the collective knowledge of men about women couldn’t fill the rest of the glass
While I am a man and therefore my knowledge is commensurate with the points above, I am the Restaurant Refugee and have seen more than my fair share of restaurant dates excellent, tragic and all variety between. Gents, I offer you the limited benefits that my observations might provide.
Know that because you have a Y chromosome you will get distracted by French fries, bright lights and shiny things. It is important that you reduce the appearance of potential distractions in your field of view. Get over your fear of a mob hit and sit with your back to the room. Besides being the generally courteous thing to do, it may also help you with your naturally wandering eye.
Like a job, you’re on time if you are early; you’re late if you’re on time. Ten minutes early gives you enough time to familiarize yourself with the place – know the location of the wash closets, the emergency exits just in case your date necessitates a swift escape (just kidding – mostly,) make friends with whomever is staffing the host stand. Let your host know that you are on a date, smile a bit, DO NOT ASK FOR A NICE TABLE – that usually inducts you into the fraternity of assholes with whom s/he deals all night. An easy smile, proper salutation, and the occasional please and thank you will almost always ensure a better table than a direct request. Should you get a great table, a tip to the host is in order. This is tricky in restaurants where the host is also a manager – most common in smaller restaurants – as it is rude to tip a manager anything less than enough to buy a couple drinks after their shift. If you are certain that the host is only the host, then a $5 tip is sufficient. If you believe that the host is also a manager, a tip is only appropriate if above and beyond service is provided in addition to the great table in which case a palmed twenty is the right way to go.
Do not fake wine knowledge – asking for assistance is a sign of strength not weakness. If the wine list is offered to you, ask your date if she would like to see it as well. Do not attempt a pronunciation with which you are unfamiliar. Read this if you want some more detail about ordering wine in a restaurant.
Under no circumstances should you do anything that could be perceived as flirting with the waiter, bartender, host or anyone who has the same chromosomal values as your date. Understand that your date mostly likely has a more sensitive flirt-o-meter than you.
Do say thank you to the bussers – the people who pour your water, bring your bread, clear your plates, etc. – besides being good for your karma as these are generally the hardest working/least paid people in the restaurant – this will mark you as a stand-up guy.
Do have an idea of where to go when dinner is finished – two ideas are even better. A swank lounge for quiet conversation and a dive bar where you can throw back some beer and darts are both great post-dinner destinations. Also of great note is going to a place just for dessert. Though you have all of these plans in your back pocket, do not cleave to them blindly. A date is a conversational dance best done in a semi-improvisational style.
Knowledge of the fact that the same words with the same delivery can be alternately charming and repulsive depending upon your date’s level of interest and attraction is important. If your date likes you, then ordering for her – after consulting with her – can be a great thing though still not advised unless it is a maneuver with which you are practiced. If her feelings are tepid or worse, then it is an affectation of bygone era.
If your date was arranged with the assistance of the interwebs, saying her name as a declarative rather than a question is a strong precursor to a good evening.
Contrary to popular belief, sharing dishes is not a marker of excessive frugality which might convey to your server the potential for an equally frugal tip. Sharing an appetizer or two is a good thing – food is sensual when done properly and sharing it can be great foreplay.
Unless your service is awful, do tip at least 20%. 9 out of 10 dates will try to sneak a look at the bill and take note of your tip. The 10th date didn’t have an opportunity because you smartly settled the tab while s/he was freshening in the restroom.
I don’t care how fabulously your date is going do not be the last table in a restaurant. Movie scenes paint a romantic picture of a couple lingering in an otherwise empty restaurant gazing into each other’s love struck eyes – that’s unadulterated bullshit. Every member of the staff of that restaurant has lives they’re all eager to resume and you are the speed bump in that process. The bad karma of impeding their path to shots of Grand Marnier at the bar next door is not worth it.
Do have story about why you selected this restaurant – stories make food taste better. However, in the vain of “do as I say, not as I do,” do not be pretentious about your story.
I just had a conversation with the three women to the left of my perch at the bar where I wrote this. Besides their wholesale agreement to all of the aforementioned points, they had the following helpful additions:
- If your date chose the restaurant, refrain from being hyper-critical as it is a criticism not just of the restaurant but of her, and her judgment.
- Do offer to share whatever is on your plate.
- Do say thank you to everyone who serves you – this is a repeat but it bears repeating
- Do not push anything – a drink, dessert, a nightcap, a dish of which you are particularly fond whatever.
- Don’t be a tool.
- Do not let her pay any part of the check (on the first couple of dates.)
- Do notice if she at least offers to pay the check.
- Assuming that any level of PDA is appropriate, do keep it to a minimum [ed. note – the staff will mock you for excessive PDA.]
- Unless your job involves national security, you’re a doctor on call, or you have a sick child at home (in which case what the hell are you doing on a date?) for the love of bacon and all things holy, do not answer your phone.
Kris, thank you for letting me borrow your place for a spell; I hope your readers found it helpful or at least amusing.
26 Comments
I love chivalry, but I strongly dislike when a man orders for me a restaurant. I tend to change my mind at the last second.
Yeah, I would have to say just don’t when it comes to ordering for your date. It is pretty much a lose/lose as far as I and all of my girlfriends go. But otherwise, good tips. :-)
“Don’t be a tool.” That pretty much says it all.
This is great! So what’s the best way to slip this list to a guy before the date?? ;)
Know that because you have a Y chromosome you will get distracted by French fries, bright lights and shiny things. It is important that you reduce the appearance of potential distractions in your field of view. Get over your fear of a mob hit and sit with your back to the room. Besides being the generally courteous thing to do, it may also help you with your naturally wandering eye.
As much as I would like to believe that much of this should be common sense, I know that common sense is not as common as it ought to be. Spot on.
Why don’t they teach this stuff to men when they are but mere boys? Seriously!
Good advice all in all. I do find it hard to sit with my back to the room though, I feel like I’ll end up the victim of a mob style hit.
I think you could have saved an awful lot of typing by just saying “don’t be a tool”. Still, an entertaining read nonetheless.
Do have an idea of where to go when dinner is finished – two ideas are even better. A swank lounge for quiet conversation and a dive bar where you can throw back some beer and darts are both great post-dinner destinations.
I’m fine with my date ordering for me after finding out what I want. I find it really presumptuous when he just decides on his own and goes for it.
Also, if he must have his phone on, he should put it on vibrate and check it when I’m in the bathroom. For heavens sake, no texting in front of me.
“. . . She’ll have the house salad and a water. Please keep the rolls coming. Now, if you’ll excuse me, my phone is ringing. By the way, this wine is corked and we want a fresh bottle.”
Had no idea there were so many rules about dating/dinner. Glad I am married, I just don’t wanna work that hard. Oy!
P.S. was this geared towards anyone in particular??? Hint? Hint?
Merry Merry Kris! Good vibes for all!
Now, I know that many women disagree with me (as I’ve had this argument with friends before), but I take whole heartedly disagree with “Do not let her pay any part of the check (on the first couple of dates.)” I have an income, I can pay my own way, thank you very much. Same with ordering for her – give me a break!
I think “Don’t be a tool” is a basic rule for all situations.
;-)
As a former waiter and a continued gentleman, he couldn’t be more spot on.
Very good job, I am thoroughly impressed.
The polite way to refuse an offer to split the check: “You get the next one.” (Smile).
The smile is compulsory, even when it means you both know damn well there will be no “next one.”
Love, love, LOVE this…
As for “being a gentleman”, I think that in this day and age, both men and women get stuck trying to balance between women’s rights/equality and men being chivalrous. From the time kids are in Jr. High/High School, it is no longer the norm for a boy to ask a girl on a real, honest-to-goodness date…even for major events like Homecoming and Prom everyone goes in groups. We have replaced the follow-up call from a first date with texting. Men have to be careful about how much they “play the gentleman” because of the wide range of response to these very rules/actions, as made obvious from the comments above.
Open a door for one woman, she thinks you are being pretentious, while another might be impressed.
Offer to pay the check and some will think you’re showing off or insulting our ability to pay our own way, while others think it would be cheap to do otherwise.
It seems there are no clear cut rules anymore. And thinking about all this, I’m not sure which side I would rather be on…you boys sure do have your work cut out for you.
I like the advice but I don’t usually invite someone to dinner on the first date Usually drinks first & see where that takes us. I really think it’s more important to get to know the person & see if you have a connection. The whole, trying to get to know you in a formal dining experience never worked for me. I think that’s best saved for the 2-? dates, when you’re both Comfotable with each other.
I agree with everyone ekse- Don’t be a Tool should be the 1st thing on the list!
Great! Now all I need is the dough to take my woman out on a fancy date. :) Nah, seriously, good points all around. A pity that more people aren’t taught properly the finer points of dining and taking a date on a nice night. It’s becoming a lost art.
Love it! And from relationship experience I can safely say this does not just cover first dates – 5 years and counting and im seriously thinking of printing out this post and sticking it to the fridge! (the beer fridge that is) x
Excellent info/advice for all! I love it when a date is able to do all those chivalrous things so smoothly that I don’t even realize it’s happening…he’s always magically one step ahead of me when we get to a door so he can open it for me without tripping all over me (and himself), when the server delivers the bill he reaches for it effortlessly as if he was reaching for his water glass…that sort of stuff shows me that he’s not just on his best behavior for our first meeting but that someone taught him those things a long time ago, and I know I’ll be treated like a lady every time we’re together.
“Do say thank you to everyone who serves you – this is a repeat but it bears repeating”
NOTHING is hotter than a guy who is nice to the waitstaff. You wouldn’t believe how many men are not…
Love the blog… really entertaining! Hope you have an awesome New Year!
Note: I know RR didn’t mention this because he’s just too classy to even think this is an issue but I’d like to also suggest that men refrain from ball adjusting while on a date.
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